We’ve experienced problems with emails, largely linked to spam filters. “Taint nobody’s fault but my own” but if you’ve e-mailed us within the past year or so and haven’t received the response you expected, please try again. That’s provided you’re not a spammer, of course. If you are a spammer, please ignore this message in order not to receive a very rude reply. To the rest, Happy New Year and keep going with your searches. 2017 could be a Kahn break-through year.  AGK

Kahn DNA

From David Kahn:

I recently obtained an ethnicity estimate from a DNA analysis provided by the genealogical company Ancestry. They provided me with eight categories, the titles of which are misleading and need interpretation. Each category has a percentage and a tolerance range. The tolerance ranges vary greatly.

I was expecting a European Jewish figure of 25%. The DNA analysis showed 32% with a tolerance of plus or minus 5% so I must have another Jewish source somewhere; that was interesting. I was surprised to receive a 10% figure for Ireland; however, the tolerance spread from -10% to +14%, a range that includes zero, so I’ll take that result with some circumspection.

I was initially very surprised to receive a mere 8% for Great Britain and a whopping 43% for Europe West. However, this is where the category names are misleading. Europe West includes the Anglo-Saxons and Normans who settled in England 1000 years ago. The Great Britain category would appear to represent the Celts, the original ancient Britons.

Another 6% was spread evenly between Scandinavia. the Iberian Peninsular, and Italy/Greece, while the remaining 1% was from the Middle East.

In summary, an interesting exercise, albeit one that raises as any questions as it answers.

David Kahn

Family Tree

We’ve had several requests for sight of the family tree in graphic format. As I lack a sheet of paper large enough, I’ve attempted to set-up a listing in Ancestry.co.uk.

This binary tree was established to provide a convenient way of identifying links between our German cousins and the UK mob. It doesn’t pretend to be complete, but I hope it’s at least reasonably accurate. And I’ve updated it with information recently received.

If family members would like to have access to the tree, please email me so I can spend a few hours worrying about how to issue invitations before calling on Jill (my wife) to utter the familiar words “Can’t you do anything by yourself?” and then press a few buttons I’d originally overlooked. She can work these complex things out; she’s the technical manager of our partnership.

This is for family members only, extended, near and far. Please email: info@kahngene.org.uk if you’d like to take a peek.


Courtesy of Mark, we have a ‘new’ photograph of Beatie & Babs, obviously one taken early in their career when they were vague as to the spelling of “Beatie.”


catching up

I’ve been away for a month with poor Wi-fi connections and now am delighted to see that I have a lot to catch up on. Please bear with me while I sift through the information we have. With much to do, I’ll respond where appropriate by next week. best wishes to all/ Alan

During an impromptu online search of Google Books, I came across several incidental references to our distant cousins. Unfortunately, full texts are not quoted, so the snippets are enticing but are also infuriatingly incomplete. I suspect the actual printed sources are not available these days except in specialist hands.

However, here are some of the enigmatic comments retrieved:

“He loved music halls and would give imitations of the turns that he saw there. He called himself and Kot ‘Beattie (sic) and Babs’ after two famous music hall sisters who did a comic turn together…”
Mark Gertler: Biography of a Painter 1891 – 1939. p.166 (1972)

“He was a Viennese, and of course knew all the Strauss music well, but in any case the number was not properly rehearsed… I recalled having seen that delightful couple Beattie & Babs giving a music-hall turn in which Babs impersonated a…”
The Maid of the Mountains – Jose Collins, her story (1932)

“… in an endeavour to present an aspect of music hall in its palmiest days… who specialised in patriotism; Beattie & Babs, two youngsters who were immensely popular…”
The Memories Linger On: the story of the music hall. W. J. MacQueen-Pope. P. 365 (1950)

“There is nobody, because the spirit of the music-hall is changing, and women, who are more adaptable than men, are… even Beattie and Babs, though Babs does what she can with stockings that nothing will ever keep up, never seem to…”
A London Mosaic, W. L. George. P 27 (1921)

The spelling of Beatie as Beattie is a common error and stands as a reminder that perhaps when undertaking research we should also consider alternative spellings of names. However, yet again, these types of morsels serve to raise more questions than answers, especially that last quote. By the way, the spelling ‘Beattie’ is unfortunate because “Beattie & Babs” is an example of cockney rhyming slang at its most unsavoury. And as far as we know the duo never even set foot in Cromer; think about it.

liverpool scan

Victor and his family arrived in Liverpool and, for some reason, stayed. The map shows approximate locations of the family during the last few decades of the 19th century. Double-clicking on the image should enlarge it.